"We're here. There's no way around it!"

Tucker Carlson admits he is embarrassed that he has not been following Naomi Wolf's tweets because rather than treat her as an individual, he has looked at her as a stand-in for a whole political party (Democrats). Later in the interview he wonders if we are being divided as a country so we don't have conversations like this!

Naomi explains how "autocratic tyrants" at the state and now the national level are creating a merger of state and corporate powers. She has been studying the closing of democracies for twelve years, and notes that no one gives up emergency powers willingly. Lockdowns have never been done before in free societies.