...This fixation on seeing things only in terms of whether they help or hurt Hillary -- and not, as Trump would see it, whether they help or hurt him -- is the basic psychological defect they have of seeing Donald Trump Junior's mere willingness to receive oppo against his opponent as "collusion with Russia's schemes," rather than rather basic campaign 101 stuff.
Meanwhile, while the media continues huffing and puffing over Trump Junior being willing to hear oppo on Hillary from a foreign national -- and not actually getting to hear it, as she had none -- they continue ignoring completely the fact Democrats did in fact receive oppo from a foreign country against Trump, from Ukraine.
From Politico -- from January. A story that plopped into the news pond and barely made a ripple.
Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.
A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.
If that's legal -- and no one seriously suggested it wasn't -- why can't Trump Jr. listen to some oppo information about his opponent?
By the way, don't answer that with the #ButRussia nonsense. There is no #ButRussia exception in the law. And for those who'd say #ButRussia -- then, #ButIran.
Iran wanted Hillary to win. Those who "colluded" to help Hillary win by publishing claims of Iranian advocacy groups are guilty of colluding with an enemy of America, too.
And also, Ukraine might be America's ally, but foreign nationals all have their own national interests for offering information.
Adnan Chalabi was an unimpeachable patriot for an Iraq free of Saddam Hussein's despotism. He was an "ally."
But this ally infected US intelligence with all sorts of misinformation, and possibly straight-up lies, to get the US to take out Saddam Hussein.
Chalabi was a patriot for his own nation-- but in the end, he was no particular friend of the US'. Certainly he did the US no favors by bringing very fake "informants" to us like CURVEBALL and convincing us Saddam was a threat to us.
A threat to Chalabi's fellow Iraqis, definitely. But he convinced us he was a threat to us as well. As the left pontificated endlessly -- He lied us into war.
So no, I'm not willing to entertain a #ButRussia extra-legal caveat as to why it's fine for DNC officials to sit down with Ukrainian operatives with their own nationalistic agendas but Trump Jr. can't sit down with a Russian lawyer -- just a lawyer -- promising some dirt on Hillary (and turning out to have been yet another con artist who bluffed her way past the door claiming to want to talk about something that interested Don Trump Jr. when actually having only her own agenda to discuss).
And also note that the only thing the liberals seem to find bad about Russia is that they tried to influence this one election. (They've never cared that Russia has been interfering in our politics, on the left's behalf, for decades upon decades.)
Whether the Ukraine is "an ally" or not, they tried to interfere in our election -- which is the only thing CNN can find fault with Russia about.
So: same thing. It's just that the liberals and the NeverTrumpers (a distinction made with decreasing credibility) are angry at Russia for interfering on the wrong side, whereas Ukraine interfered on the right one.
Tuesday, July 11, 2017
"The liberals and #NeverTrumpers are angry at Russia for interfering on the wrong side
Ace of Spades weighs in on the Donald Trump Jr. situation: